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  • Shanks

    101 23.43%
  • Mihawk

    9 2.09%
  • Kizaru

    8 1.86%
  • Dragon

    75 17.40%
  • Akainu

    27 6.26%
  • Big Mom

    3 0.70%
  • Kaido

    42 9.74%
  • Kuzan

    1 0.23%
  • the grosei

    18 4.18%
  • Garp

    7 1.62%
  • Sengoku

    1 0.23%
  • Blackbeard

    100 23.20%
  • Marco

    6 1.39%
  • Kuma

    4 0.93%
  • other

    29 6.73%
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    how did Luffy beat Shiki? (a person that is supposed to be yonkou-tier)

  2. #8322

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    Shiki was washed out, old, and lost the use of his legs.

    Luffy punched him again and again until Shiki stayed down, once with thunder and lighting, and brought down his country with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceDawn View Post
    Tamago very well could take some design inspiration from Eggman. Dr Hogback too.

    The clearest Eggman reference showed up at Dressrosa. That right hand guy to King Elezabelo? Can't think of his name but that was Dr Eggman all the way.
    LOL, oh yeah, I forgot all about that guy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeBi View Post
    how did Luffy beat Shiki? (a person that is supposed to be yonkou-tier)
    Didn't happen in the manga so doesn't count. Also didn't he get beat up all the time until he managed to land one hit powered-up by lightning(exterior force)?

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  5. #8325

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeBi View Post
    how did Luffy beat Shiki? (a person that is supposed to be yonkou-tier)
    Answered your own question.

  6. #8326

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Shiki was washed out, old, and lost the use of his legs.

    Luffy punched him again and again until Shiki stayed down, once with thunder and lighting, and brought down his country with him.
    Do you seriously believe that it's not only because it wasn't canon ?

    I mean, chapter zero is canon. But Oda just fucked up Shiki's character in the movie.

  7. #8327

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    Shiki was a collection of damage that would have rendered any nonfloating person incapable of fighting, the swords, the wheel, and the fact that he went from fighting Roger to hide in an island for 20 years.

    I expect Luffy to be able to beat every inactive silver medalist at this point in the story, and Shiki was a collection of weak points, no matter how strong he was supposed to be.
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  8. #8328

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    But it's still a shonen manga. You just don't go from fighting the world's strongest guy (and losing, but at least he was a top tier back then) to being defeated by a mere pirate that can't even use haki. And btw, Shiki himself couldn't even use haki which doesn't make much sense. Unless you can lose haki somehow, which we know nothing about.

    Him not having his legs doesn't weaken him because he can fly. It's like Aokiji and Perospero, they're not really weaker now that they've lost a leg and an arm.
    As for the wheel on his head, it's just for chara-design and goofy purposes. And concerning the fact that he didn't really fight for the past 20years, it'd be a valid point for a real life person, but I don't think it works for shonen manga characters.
    Anyway, it's really a problem that he couldn't use haki


    Also, didn't Oda once said he was disappointed about what he had done with Shiki's character ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    But it's still a shonen manga. You just don't go from fighting the world's strongest guy (and losing, but at least he was a top tier back then) to being defeated by a mere pirate that can't even use haki.
    You can go to that point if you don't fight for 20 years. The same thing happened to Moriah.

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  10. #8330

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    You can go to that point if you don't fight for 20 years. The same thing happened to Moriah.
    But we don't know how strong was Kaido back then. And we pretty much know nothing about their relation btw.
    On the other hand, it's been established that Roger was at the top, and Shiki was a top tier (like very top)

    I mean, ffs, Rayleigh is still Rayleigh despite being retired right ?

  11. #8331

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    I mean, ffs, Rayleigh is still Rayleigh despite being retired right ?
    No, Rayleigh himself said that he has weakened and it was taking all he had to keep Kizaru at bay; and imo Kizaru wasn't being particularly serious or forceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law-ya View Post
    No, Rayleigh himself said that he has weakened and it was taking all he had to keep Kizaru at bay; and imo Kizaru wasn't being particularly serious or forceful.
    He is obviously old. But that's not the point
    Rayleigh is still hella strong and can stall an admiral. He doesn't get trashed by Luffy's "gatling gun" or what.

    Same goes for Whitebeard. Even though he was heavily sick, to the brink of death, he was still able to beat the crap out the admirals and pee on Marineford

  13. #8333

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law-ya View Post
    No, Rayleigh himself said that he has weakened and it was taking all he had to keep Kizaru at bay; and imo Kizaru wasn't being particularly serious or forceful.
    yeah rayleigh is still admiral-level . So it's confusing how someone like Shiki could be defeated except if Oda wanted to imply that Luffy pre timeskip is already admiral level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post

    Him not having his legs doesn't weaken him because he can fly. It's like Aokiji and Perospero, they're not really weaker now that they've lost a leg and an arm.
    As for the wheel on his head, it's just for chara-design and goofy purposes. And concerning the fact that he didn't really fight for the past 20years, it'd be a valid point for a real life person, but I don't think it works for shonen manga characters.
    Anyway, it's really a problem that he couldn't use haki


    Also, didn't Oda once said he was disappointed about what he had done with Shiki's character ?
    Ray, Garp and Whitebeard mentioned age affecting their strength. Shiki was also weaker than Roger & got beat when Luffy recieved a weird boost from lighting. Prior to this he was dominating.

    And again not in the manga so not canon. Same way Luffy fighting a ex-admiral with his best efforts but not using gear 4. The movies are not canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post

    And again not in the manga so not canon. Same way Luffy fighting a ex-admiral with his best efforts but not using gear 4. The movies are not canon.
    pretty sure the strong world & z movie is directed/supervised by Oda

  16. #8336

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeBi View Post
    pretty sure the strong world & z movie is directed/supervised by Oda
    When people talk about "canon" in OP they do not mean "Oda-approved" material but "in-continuity with the manga" that is fitting with what we have and capable of affecting future events. Z doesn't fit anywhere in the manga and while SW has a good spot to be included in (between TB and SA), this inclusion will always be a little sloppy (creating some minor plot holes). Also, from what I know, neither of the movies was ever referenced in any other place, and the last thing I expect happening is SHs discussing their last meeting with Kuzan next time or Shiki returning as anything else than cameo in a flashback.
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  17. #8337

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    But it's still a shonen manga. You just don't go from fighting the world's strongest guy (and losing, but at least he was a top tier back then) to being defeated by a mere pirate that can't even use haki. And btw, Shiki himself couldn't even use haki which doesn't make much sense. Unless you can lose haki somehow, which we know nothing about.

    Him not having his legs doesn't weaken him because he can fly. It's like Aokiji and Perospero, they're not really weaker now that they've lost a leg and an arm.
    As for the wheel on his head, it's just for chara-design and goofy purposes. And concerning the fact that he didn't really fight for the past 20years, it'd be a valid point for a real life person, but I don't think it works for shonen manga characters.
    Anyway, it's really a problem that he couldn't use haki


    Also, didn't Oda once said he was disappointed about what he had done with Shiki's character ?
    Considering Haki is literally connected to being determined and having no doubt, as by Rayleigh´s words, pretty sure being shaken up mentally will make you unable to use Haki.
    We will probably get an answer when Moria and Crocodile reappear in the story, both guys who once fought in the New World but then got beaten so hard they chose to stay in Paradise and come up with plans that did not require them to fight anymore to achieve their goals but now both are back in the NW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeBi View Post
    pretty sure the strong world & z movie is directed/supervised by Oda
    Actually Oda has expressed how the Strawhats, specifically in Movie Z, do not really resemble the characters in the manga in some aspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Considering Haki is literally connected to being determined and having no doubt, as by Rayleigh´s words, pretty sure being shaken up mentally will make you unable to use Haki.
    We will probably get an answer when Moria and Crocodile reappear in the story, both guys who once fought in the New World but then got beaten so hard they chose to stay in Paradise and come up with plans that did not require them to fight anymore to achieve their goals but now both are back in the NW.
    And this is why Don Chinjao couldn't use haki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    And this is why Don Chinjao couldn't use haki
    Chinjao got something taken away by him, not completely destroyed and completely traumatized and then hid himself in an area in which nobody can even hurt them and still avoided fighting

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Chinjao got something taken away by him, not completely destroyed and completely traumatized and then hid himself in an area in which nobody can even hurt them and still avoided fighting
    The only difference between him and Crocodile and Moriah, is that he never left the NewWorld.
    But just like the two above, Chinjao sought vengeance and even man-babied at Garp's grandson lol.

    "Moriah and Crocodile lost their haki because they lost their will" is a good theory. But since Don Chinjao was and is still able to use it, I'm not quite sure it has to do with will after all
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